[CROSS] SX3 Upcoming Release

[Howard Wooten]

For those on the list that use both.



http://www.steinberg.de/ProductPage_sb.asp?Product_ID=2442&Langue_ID=7


Some nice new features.

HW


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Post by Howard Wooten
For those on the list that use both.
http://www.steinberg.de/ProductPage_sb.asp?Product_ID=2442&Langue_ID=7
Some nice new features.

Yes, really! Is it true that Steinberg licensed design concepts from
Ableton?

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Post by Howard Wooten
For those on the list that use both.
http://www.steinberg.de/ProductPage_sb.asp?Product_ID=2442_ID=7
<http://www.steinberg.de/ProductPage_sb.asp?Product_ID=2442&Langue_ID=7>
Some nice new features.
HW

Really? SX 3? Have they managed to get version 2 for Mac working yet?

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Post by Rob Yale

Post by Howard Wooten
Some nice new features.
HW

Really? SX 3? Have they managed to get version 2 for Mac working yet?
Rob

Interesting. It seems they've re-done the freeze function to match Logic's, basically copied
screensets from Logic, and put back in mixermaps . . .which were missing from previous
OSX versions (and they call it a "new* feature). Hmmm. And it still has the ugliest, most
gaudy, interface of any audio program I've ever used or seen.

best,
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Post by jon9091

Post by Howard Wooten
Some nice new features.
HW

Hmmm. And it still has the ugliest, most
gaudy, interface of any audio program I've ever used or seen.
best,
Jon

I don't know why they continue to post the default screen colors,
much of the interface can be altererd to suit personal tastes.
I'd be happy to post a screen or two.

http://www.steinberg.net/Steinberg/Company/NewsItem.asp?
id=3518&Langue_ID=7

I posted this because there are several users here that use both
systems and the upgrade is inexpensive.

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Post by pancenter
I don't know why they continue to post the default screen colors,
much of the interface can be altererd to suit personal tastes.
I'd be happy to post a screen or two.

Errr. No thanks. I've seen it. I own it. No minor color tweeks can make up for the mass of
indecipherable icons all over the program . . . .the cheesy plastic looking buttons . . the
maddeningly miniscule little +'s that one must expand (in typical PC fashion) just to see a
frickin' patch list and on and on.

As far as the "solid" feel of the program. us SX2 Mac owners had to wait 6 months before a
fix was issued that allowed us to actually see all the program's graphics (invisible elements
all over the transport, arrange window and mixer strips) and you still can't use Rewire with
a MP Mac. Cubase SX (all versions) has crashed more on me than all my other OSX
programs combined.


As far as the upgrade price goes. It's 149 Euros. So, that will probably be $149 as well.
That's a rather typical upgrade price for a sequencing program. So, I'm really not seeing
how that's inexpensive. In fact, given all the crap that I've seen throughout the history of
Cubase SX, even a free upgrade might not be worth it. And given Steinberg's Mac history
in the past 5 years, I'd really be surprised if half of these new features function properly.


thinking I'll save my money for Logic 7 ;-)
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Post by jon9091
thinking I'll save my money for Logic 7 ;-)
Jon

Yes, me too, but I don't think for a second that Logic 7 won't be
hell-on-wheels for the first 6 months - at least.

Unfortunately this is the nature of software. The very thing we like the
most about it - it's ability to be rewritten or upgraded - is what invites
the never-ending bug list into our lives.

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Yes, really! Is it true that Steinberg licensed design concepts from
Ableton?

I believe that Steinberg re-branded Live light a few years ago, but
that's as far as it went. I believe the current technology is based on
Prosoniq MPEX code, but I could be wrong.

Orren


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A line out, post power amp, how common is that?

You must be kidding. Every amp I've owned has had a line
out--Marshall, Fender, Rivera, THD, and so on. Sometimes it's called
"Slave Out"--it's a line level post power amp output, designed for
chaining amps together. Generally, an effects send is post pre-amp,
and a slave/line out is post power amp. Some amps even have knobs to
allow you to set the level of the line out, others do not.

If your amp doesn't have a line out, then get an attenuator, such as a
THD Hot Plate, the Weber VST attenuators, the Dr. Z AirBrake--they all
have line outs.

I've never heard of such a thing on an amp.

Like I said, it might be called "slave out"--it's designed for use into
a board, or another amp. Most amps (well, at least 80s or more recent
amps) have them.

I hope you're not talking about the speaker jack?

No. And that's a good point--you'll still need your amp plugged into a
speaker, or at least a load dump that emulates a speaker load.
Otherwise, you can damage the output transformer.

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Post by Orren Merton

I hope you're not talking about the speaker jack?

No. And that's a good point--you'll still need your amp plugged into a
speaker, or at least a load dump that emulates a speaker load.
Otherwise, you can damage the output transformer.

Sorry for this being OT, but how do you do this 'load dump' thing you speak of...?

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[Sebastian von Bischopink]

Hi List,

Just installed the Moog Modular V2 update and I am experiencing some
problems in Logic. When I open the plug I get a -1 error message and only
the default logic controls are shown - no GUI.

The standalone version works without any problems.

Any idea what could be wrong or how I could fix this?

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Post by Sebastian von Bischopink
Hi List,
Just installed the Moog Modular V2 update and I am experiencing some
problems in Logic. When I open the plug I get a -1 error message and only
the default logic controls are shown - no GUI.
The standalone version works without any problems.
Any idea what could be wrong or how I could fix this?
Thanks in advance
Seb

Here's how you fix it. Copy the Moog Modular V2 compnonet from your
libray>audio>plugins>components folder . . . into your
USER>libray>audio>plugins>components folder


that should do it.

best,
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Post by Sebastian von Bischopink
Just installed the Moog Modular V2 update and I am experiencing some
problems in Logic. When I open the plug I get a -1 error message and
only the default logic controls are shown - no GUI.
The standalone version works without any problems.
Any idea what could be wrong or how I could fix this?
Thanks in advance
Seb

Hi Seb,

I have the MMV2 and am experiencing the same issue with Logic. My way
of dealing with it is to close the plug-in (= no plug-in in the AI
slot) and reopen it. The second time the graphics are ok.
I've also taken to the habit of changing every pre-set or tweaked
setting as a logic plug-in setting, just in case I will have to close
and reopen the plug-in when opening the song next time. My guess is
that this is a case of bad Audio Unit functionality but I don't know if
Apple or Arturia is the bad guy here.

All the best

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Post by Orren Merton

A line out, post power amp, how common is that?

You must be kidding. Every amp I've owned has had a line
out--Marshall, Fender, Rivera, THD, and so on. Sometimes it's called
"Slave Out"--it's a line level post power amp output,

Orren, actually that's a pre-amp out you're speaking of.

Post pre amp, rather than post power amp.

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Subject: Re: [CROSS] SX3 Upcoming Release

Post by Howard Wooten
For those on the list that use both.
http://www.steinberg.de/ProductPage_sb.asp?Product_ID=2442_ID=7
<http://www.steinberg.de/ProductPage_sb.asp?Product_ID=2442Langue_ID=7>
Some nice new features.
HW

Really? SX 3? Have they managed to get version 2 for Mac working yet?

Solid from the folks I know using it.

HW



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Post by Rob Yale
Really? SX 3? Have they managed to get version 2 for Mac working yet?
Solid from the folks I know using it.
HW

Over 70 known Bugs in Cubase SX2, and I do own it.

But hey, it will make a nice little Timestretching and Acid Loops
program for my studio......Bugs and all.

Now, where is Logic 7?

Must we always be last?

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Post by jonathankek2000

Post by Rob Yale
Really? SX 3? Have they managed to get version 2 for Mac working yet?
Solid from the folks I know using it.
HW

Over 70 known Bugs in Cubase SX2, and I do own it.

Hmmm... that's at least 50 less than Logic's current count.

I did post this under [CROSS], there are people using both on the
list.

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Post by Howard Wooten
Solid from the folks I know using it.
HW

Post by jonathankek2000
Over 70 known Bugs in Cubase SX2, and I do own it.

Hmmm... that's at least 50 less than Logic's current count.
HW

Cubase or Cubase SX has NEVER been solid, for me, or anyone else that
has ever used it. I used Cubase for over 10 years, so I know.

To come on a Logic Board and state that Logic has 120 KNOWN Bugs is an
inflamatory thing to do.

I've personally found a handfull of Bugs in Logic Pro. If there are
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Post by jonathankek2000
Now, where is Logic 7?
Must we always be last?

You want a new Logic version just because there is a new Cubase version?
If versions is all you care about, "we" are still 3 numbers ahead (which
is an about as meaningless argument as "SX3 is coming, where is Logic
7?". As for always being last, "we" had the first DAW on OSX.

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Post by Maurits van de Kamp

Post by jonathankek2000
Now, where is Logic 7?
Must we always be last?

You want a new Logic version just because there is a new Cubase version?
If versions is all you care about, "we" are still 3 numbers ahead (which
is an about as meaningless argument as "SX3 is coming, where is Logic
7?". As for always being last, "we" had the first DAW on OSX.
Maurits.

Uh, that would have been Ableton Live. And TC Spark was the first 2
track app.

As for Cubase SX 3, looks good, I'll use it AND Logic V6 or 7 or
whatever.

George
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Post by jonathankek2000
Now, where is Logic 7?
Must we always be last?
You want a new Logic version just because there is a new Cubase

Post by Maurits van de Kamp
version?

It was a JOKE! It was a JOKE!

But......I am secretly Jonesin for the "BIG" changes in Logic 7. I
can't wait to try out "Sculpture", "Ultrabeat", and "Guitar Rig" (Or
whatever it's called).

It seems that whenever I'm in the middle of a new project, (when new
and improved would be much appreciated) new and improved is not available.

I know it's a sickness......nonetheless.....I would love to have the
extras for my latest project. Which of course, will go to people that
EXPECT the latest and the greatest.

You see, it's a looping madness of insecurity linked with the need to
pay my bills!

Post by jonathankek2000
As for Cubase SX 3, looks good, I'll use it AND Logic V6 or 7 or
whatever.
George

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Post by jonathankek2000
Absolutely! We are Fools for Tools!

Didn't they have a couple of hits in the '80s? : )

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<Admin - I am sure most members of the LUG would prefer if we don't get embroiled in yet another discussion about release dates, thanks>

Must we always be last?

Why do you think were last, could be we´re first and Steinberg are the ones
catching up. I used Cubase for years until I got so tired of it that I
decided to give Logic a shot, haven´t looked back since.
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<Admin - I am sure most members of the LUG would prefer if we don't get
embroiled in yet another discussion about release dates, thanks>
Must we always be last?
Why do you think were last, could be we´re first and Steinberg are the ones
catching up. I used Cubase for years until I got so tired of it that I
decided to give Logic a shot, haven´t looked back since.
Henrik Krogh

And furthermore, why are we so fixated on release dates? After an
unpleasant experience with SX and Nuendo 2.0 being released full of bugs, I
recognize the wisdom of being patient. It is my hope that when Logic 7 is
finally available, it is thoroughly tested on all appropriate Macs, both
past, present and future, and is sufficiently stable as to render it
dependable.

In the meantime, I'll try to forget that a new version may be around the
corner; there will ALWAYS be a new version around the corner.

Rob Yale
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  (1) write down the problem;
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  (3) write down the answer.

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Post by Rob Yale
And furthermore, why are we so fixated on release dates? After an
unpleasant experience with SX and Nuendo 2.0 being released full of bugs, I
recognize the wisdom of being patient. It is my hope that when Logic 7 is
finally available, it is thoroughly tested on all appropriate Macs, both
past, present and future, and is sufficiently stable as to render it
dependable.
In the meantime, I'll try to forget that a new version may be around the
corner; there will ALWAYS be a new version around the corner.

Ah... wise words!

It's better to piss off impatient people (by simply taking a while
to get it right) than it is to piss off patient people (by rushing
an inferior product out the door).


Fast. Cheap. Good.
Choose any two.




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I personally would and will forego the additional features we saw at
NAMM (although I look forward to them) until they're ready, but I
suspect they are to be "bundled" with all the bug fixes we've been
expecting to be rectified over the past 12-18 months. I am very happy
with Logic Pro and it's new pricing/all in one approach but would like
to see a few more minor updates occur spasmodically as the developers
write/alleviate them. One of the great thing about this list in the
past was it's ability to effect real-time change via the interaction
with and from users, beta testers and developers. Is that all in the
past now for LUG or are we just talking amongst ourselves while the
dedicated folks at emapple do their thing in Culpertino?

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Post by Clive Young
One of the great thing about this list in the
past was it's ability to effect real-time change via the interaction
with and from users, beta testers and developers. Is that all in the
past now for LUG or are we just talking amongst ourselves while the
dedicated folks at emapple do their thing in Culpertino?

This list is still great! I see plenty of users, beta testers and
developers among the posters. Well, maybe the noise to signal ratio is
a bit different now with 14587 members instead of 2000 ;-)

All the best

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Fast. Cheap. Good.
Choose any two.

Fast + Cheap = buggy

Cheap + Good = unlikely

Good + Fast = dreaming

;-)

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Post by f-erenc szabo
Ah... wise words!
It's better to piss off impatient people (by simply taking a while
to get it right) than it is to piss off patient people (by rushing
an inferior product out the door).
Fast. Cheap. Good.
Choose any two.

words to live by i'd say :-))



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Post by Rob Yale
And furthermore, why are we so fixated on release dates? After an
unpleasant experience with SX and Nuendo 2.0 being released full of bugs, I
recognize the wisdom of being patient. It is my hope that when Logic 7 is
finally available, it is thoroughly tested on all appropriate Macs, both
past, present and future, and is sufficiently stable as to render it
dependable.
In the meantime, I'll try to forget that a new version may be around the
corner; there will ALWAYS be a new version around the corner.
Rob Yale

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Must we always be last?

I think Emagic actually tests their software before doing a public release
;)

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Post by Sebastian von Bischopink
Just installed the Moog Modular V2 update and I am experiencing some
problems in Logic. When I open the plug I get a -1 error message and
only
the default logic controls are shown - no GUI.

I have yet to try this with MMV2, but with the first version, I also
had this problem. It turned out to be an installation problem. Try
installing MMV1 again from the original CD, and then applying the
update immediately. With luck, that should do the trick.

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Post by Howard Wooten
Solid from the folks I know using it.
HW

Post by jonathankek2000
Over 70 known Bugs in Cubase SX2, and I do own it.

Hmmm... that's at least 50 less than Logic's current count.
HW

Cubase or Cubase SX has NEVER been solid, for me, or anyone else that
has ever used it. I used Cubase for over 10 years, so I know.

Well, it's been solid here, I just upgraded SX to Nuendo, so I won't see
the benefits of SX3 for a while.

Post by jonathankek2000
To come on a Logic Board and state that Logic has 120 KNOWN Bugs is an
inflamatory thing to do.

Well you're right, if Emagic posted them like S. does then we would know
wouldn't we? As it stands now it's an unknown number.
My apologies if you are/were offended.

Post by jonathankek2000
I've personally found a handfull of Bugs in Logic Pro.

Multiply that by all of the users who make use of the program
in different ways than you do.

I would be more than happy to continue off list, you have my email address.
Also, this was posted under [CROSS] because most Mac users have it filtered.

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Post by Per Boysen
I have the MMV2 and am experiencing the same issue with Logic. My way
of dealing with it is to close the plug-in (= no plug-in in the AI
slot) and reopen it. The second time the graphics are ok.

Hi Per, Jon & Orren,

Thanks for your answers. I tried your suggestions and after a re-install
everything seems fine for now.

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Post by Orren Merton

A line out, post power amp, how common is that?

You must be kidding. Every amp I've owned has had a line
out--Marshall, Fender, Rivera, THD, and so on. Sometimes it's called
"Slave Out"--it's a line level post power amp output,

Orren, actually that's a pre-amp out you're speaking of.
Post pre amp, rather than post power amp.
Howard

that's what I was saying!
why would you want to plug 20- 100 watts of power into your audio interface?
Makes no sense at all.

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[esp]

Would you guitar guys say that the Mesa Recto recording Preamp +
speaker emulating plug-in (or maybe PodXT can do speaker sim only)
would be a safe bet for getting that recto sound without micing a cab?
Or would I HAVE to mic a cab to get those deep thugs? Or any other
preamp like the THD Univalve? I'm not a guitarist myself but I need to
record some "real" guitar sound on a new project and I'd appreciate
some input. I'm getting a bit tired of all these sims that just don't
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Would you guitar guys say that the Mesa Recto recording Preamp +
speaker emulating plug-in (or maybe PodXT can do speaker sim only)
would be a safe bet for getting that recto sound without micing a cab?

No.

Post by esp
Or would I HAVE to mic a cab to get those deep thugs?

Yes.

Post by esp
Or any other
preamp like the THD Univalve? I'm not a guitarist myself but I need to
record some "real" guitar sound on a new project and I'd appreciate
some input. I'm getting a bit tired of all these sims that just don't
sound anywhere close to the way I want.

As for now, you won't be able to get that "nu metal" sound (or whatever
you're referring to as the "Recto" sound) from any amp/speaker simulation.
Especially the deep "thugs" IMO can only be achieved from actual moving air,
captured by a proper mic (or a combination of those).

And yes, I AM a guitar player, but then: I'm the VERY first person in the
world who'd love it if the answer was any different.
Still, I haven't heard a convincing simulation for those deep, edgy, more or
less fully driven stack sounds.

And FWIW, I don't think Guitar Rig is doing such a great job. Yes, it's
extremely flexible, yes, it DOES sound good on some settings (the crunchy
ones actually aren't all that bad), but, as any other amp sim, it seriously
lacks of some dynamics, especially in the "thug" range.
For now, I'll stick with my VAmp (or POD, but that one hasn't been used
since quite some time...) in case I need quick'n'dirty (or not so dirty...
hmmm) results. For anything "real" I can pretty much see myself going the
"oldfashioned" route for quite some time.

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Hi everyone,

I have a very long song where the tracks have many audio regions, often
with spaces between adjacent regions. Is there a single command in the
Arrange window by which I can remove the gaps or spaces between
adjacent regions? (That is, to make all the regions slide forward in
the song to close the gaps?) It's very tedious to have to close these
spaces manually in every case. Thanks,

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Is there a single command in the Arrange window by which I can
remove the gaps or spaces between adjacent regions?

Arrange window -> Functions -> Tie objects by position change

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Hans,

Post by Hans Hafner

Is there a single command in the Arrange window by which I can
remove the gaps or spaces between adjacent regions?

Arrange window -> Functions -> Tie objects by position change

You saved the day! Works like a charm! THANKS,

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SX3 looks pretty impresive to me.

Here is a better look at it and a comparison between SX3, Logic, Motu's
DP4, Sonar and Protools LE.

http://www.espace-cubase.org/anglais/page.php?page=newcub27




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The one thing looking VERY impressive to me when it comes to SX3: In place
MIDI editing!
That's just great - finally you can edit your MIDI material lined up in your
arrange.
The bad thing might be that Steinberg eventually won't implement this
properly, just as usual with all features. Featurewise SX has been WAY ahead
of Logic for quite some time now, it's just that Steinberg allways seems to
hire the lousiest UI programmers ever - they seriously don't seem to have a
clue when it comes to things such as workflow and the likes.
But then, we'll see, SX3 seems to be the first version actually taking care
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Post by Sascha Franck
The one thing looking VERY impressive to me when it comes to SX3: In place
MIDI editing! That's just great - finally you can edit your MIDI material
lined up in yourarrange.

Ya, it looks good. Not exactly a new idea though. Digital Performer has had this for about
3 years now. The guys at Steinberg have definitely been looking (and "borrowing") from
their competitors products for this release. Not that that's a bad thing ;-)

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Post by Anthony Anugwom
SX3 looks pretty impresive to me.
Here is a better look at it and a comparison between SX3, Logic, Motu's
DP4, Sonar and Protools LE.
http://www.espace-cubase.org/anglais/page.php?page=newcub27

Wow...what a totally useless comparison. I hope people don't make their
buying decisions according to this ?

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Post by Anthony Anugwom
SX3 looks pretty impresive to me.
Here is a better look at it and a comparison between SX3, Logic, Motu's
DP4, Sonar and Protools LE.
http://www.espace-cubase.org/anglais/page.php?page=newcub27

Why don't they compare only products that are shipping?

It's easy to say that a future product is better than a current product.

Why not compare SX3 with Logic7, ProTools7, DP5 and Sonar11?
That's because the rest of those companies haven't announced yet.





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Why don't they compare only products that are shipping?
It's easy to say that a future product is better than a current product.
Why not compare SX3 with Logic7, ProTools7, DP5 and Sonar11?
That's because the rest of those companies haven't announced yet.

Well technically, it is supposedly shipping as of today. but that doesn't make that little
chart any less idiotic. For instance, under the VST Instruments category, it shows Logic, DP
etc. as having VST support with a wrapper. ProTools LE is listed as not having VST support
at all. The very same company that makes the VST-AU wrapper, also makes the VST-RTAS
wrapper. So, that's just plain wrong. Hell, why don't they list AU support with Steinberg
getting a big fat "no". Why not list "abysmal collection of included EFX and Instruments"
with Steinberg getting a big fat "yes". It's all marketing spin. And not a very good one.

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Post by Jorma Pennanen

Post by Anthony Anugwom
SX3 looks pretty impresive to me.
Here is a better look at it and a comparison between SX3, Logic, Motu's
DP4, Sonar and Protools LE.
http://www.espace-cubase.org/anglais/page.php?page=newcub27

Wow...what a totally useless comparison. I hope people don't make their
buying decisions according to this ?
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Yes. Useless was exactly what occurred to me as well, for example:

1) Steinberg has always and will continue to develop products for users, not
for platforms. SX3 reflect this policy by adding more platform-specific
optimization.

Really dopey contradiction. How can Steinberg "not [develop] for platforms"
and include "platform-specific optimization?"

2) " additional view options ­ like the optional bars+beats linear display
of the project window"

Amazing! Groundbreaking...

3) "User-definable Workspaces (window layouts) help organizing your
desktop."

They aren't serious?

What you don't find out about SX, is that it is really a crippled version of
Nuendo. For example, if you import a piece of video into SX, the guide
audio gets stripped out.

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-----Original Message-----

I don't want to fan any flames, but this incessant slagging off of products
we haven't used is not really contributing to a constructive debate on
either Logic or SX.

The bottom line is that SX3 has some extremely neat feature additions -
InPlace editing and Audio Warp are real steps forward which will have other
developers worried. Whether they are well implemented and totally robust
is another matter, but we can't argue that they're great ideas which we'd
love to have in Logic.

Anybody who is blindly loyal to any product or product range is doing
themselves a disservice. I have SX and Nuendo licenses from when Emagic
dumped PC users, and I'm interested to check out the upgrades, just to see
how well these features work and how much Mac support has evolved. Doesn't
mean I have any intention of leaving Logic, just that I like to know what's
happening with the competition.

Here's hoping Logic 7 can make similar strides forward, without compromising
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Post by Jules Bromley

-----Original Message-----

I don't want to fan any flames, but this incessant slagging off of products
we haven't used is not really contributing to a constructive debate on
either Logic or SX.

As I was the first person to call this comparison useless I would like
to add that it was just the comparison that I thought was useless,
not the software itself. The comparison only compared the latest
addditions of SX 3 to older versions of other software and of course
one could change the VST instruments to AU and get "N" on the Cubase
chart too.

Post by Jules Bromley
The bottom line is that SX3 has some extremely neat feature additions -
InPlace editing and Audio Warp are real steps forward which will have other
developers worried. Whether they are well implemented and totally robust
is another matter, but we can't argue that they're great ideas which we'd
love to have in Logic.

There are rumours that Logic 7 will have something called "Liquid
Audio" which would suggest better and easier audio files handling and
manipulating.

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Post by Jorma Pennanen
There are rumours that Logic 7 will have something called "Liquid
Audio" which would suggest better and easier audio files handling and
manipulating.

Hi Jorma,

Any references to those rumors? After briefing the Apple Loops spec's
I was impressed with the possibilities.
http://www.liquidaudio.com/ is another thing though... or is Apple
buying them too? ;-)

All the best

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Post by Jorma Pennanen
There are rumours that Logic 7 will have something called "Liquid
Audio" which would suggest better and easier audio files handling and
manipulating.

Any references to those rumors? After briefing the Apple Loops spec's
I was impressed with the possibilities.
http://www.liquidaudio.com/ is another thing though... or is Apple
buying them too? ;-)

Hi Per,
this is what I found:

The music industry has been waiting for bated breath for Apple to work
its magic on Emagic's Logic and certain details are beginning to emerge
about the new version due in the fourth quarter of 2004. Going
straight for one of the most popular and differentiating attributes of
Digidesign's ProTools, Logic 7 will contain a brand new groove template
feature. This will be a rhythmic timing and dynamics tool that will do
everything that Beat Detective can do in ProTools with some additional
beat templating features designed strictly for Logic. Another new
feature is a real time, waveform manipulation tool that turns any sound
file into liquid audio. Stretching, compressing, pitching, tweaking,
etc. will all be accomplished instantaneously right within the Logic
interface.
There are also few details on a new loop utility built into the Logic
interface. Called Apple Loops, it's basically what you'd get if you
incorporated Ableton's Live within Logic. The Future: With the
management of Steinberg in complete disarray, Apple is going for the
jugular with this new version of Logic. Let's hope they also
incorporate some of their renowned usability into the cryptic
interface, so that migraters will have no problem ramping up to the new
version.

http://www.futuremusic.com/news/february2004.html

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Post by Jorma Pennanen
The music industry has been waiting for bated breath for Apple to work
its magic on Emagic's Logic and certain details are beginning to emerge
about the new version due in the fourth quarter of 2004. Going
straight for one of the most popular and differentiating attributes of
Digidesign's ProTools, Logic 7 will contain a brand new groove template
feature. This will be a rhythmic timing and dynamics tool that will do
everything that Beat Detective can do in ProTools with some additional
beat templating features designed strictly for Logic. Another new
feature is a real time, waveform manipulation tool that turns any sound
file into liquid audio. Stretching, compressing, pitching, tweaking,
etc. will all be accomplished instantaneously right within the Logic
interface.
There are also few details on a new loop utility built into the Logic
interface. Called Apple Loops, it's basically what you'd get if you
incorporated Ableton's Live within Logic. The Future: With the
management of Steinberg in complete disarray, Apple is going for the
jugular with this new version of Logic. Let's hope they also
incorporate some of their renowned usability into the cryptic
interface, so that migraters will have no problem ramping up to the new
version.

<http://www.futuremusic.com/news/february2004.html>



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affiliated with the UK magazine Future Music. That
website has a long history of spewing forth utter
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Post by f-erenc szabo

Post by Jorma Pennanen
There are also few details on a new loop utility built into the Logic
interface. Called Apple Loops, it's basically what you'd get if you
incorporated Ableton's Live within Logic.

<http://www.futuremusic.com/news/february2004.html>

The writer of the above didn't do his/her homework;
Appleloops have to be prepared upfront to be used as Appleloops.
It needs to be saved as such from within the Soundtrack loop utility (free download from
apple.com, go for the developers section) which basicly slices the loop (kinda like Recycle)
and offers the option to 'burn' the tempo, pitch, category and such into the file. Only then
can apps like garageband and the new Logic use them as if they were 'liquid' or Live-like.

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Post by Jules Bromley
The bottom line is that SX3 has some extremely neat feature additions -
InPlace editing and Audio Warp are real steps forward which will have other
developers worried. Whether they are well implemented and totally robust
is another matter, but we can't argue that they're great ideas which we'd
love to have in Logic.

As I said. Neither of the examples you mention were original ideas of Steinberg. Both of
these exact same things are already in, and have been in Digital Performer for quite a few
years. Not that I wouldn't mind seeing them in Logic in some form or other, but let's give
credit where credit is due. It certainly ain't Steinberg.

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Post by jon9091
As I said. Neither of the examples you mention were original ideas of Steinberg. Both of
these exact same things are already in, and have been in Digital Performer for quite a few
years. Not that I wouldn't mind seeing them in Logic in some form or other, but let's give
credit where credit is due. It certainly ain't Steinberg.

Well, at least Steinberg seems to implement some features that people asked
for...
Yes, SX still is ergonomic horrorshow (at least in its 2.2 reincarnation),
but finally they seem to be doing a large step forward with SX 3 (not to
forget that they finally are implementing "relative snap" when moving
parts).

And seriously, I couldn't care less whether someone else invented things or
not.
Emagic should finally "adopt" a few features as well (modernized virtual
instrument handling, better transformers, a working reclock function, clip
based FX support, "in place" MIDI editing, etc etc etc - it's all there in
other hosts).
With some of those "common" features being implemented and a whole lot of
bugs fixed I would eventually think a bit different about finally buying a
Mac to run Logic 7 (so far there's not much sense in doing so, as apart from
offline bouncing and Space Designer there's not a single thing for me making
LogicPro any superior over 5.5.1/Windows - more like the opposite as there's
just too much broken or miserably working things).

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Post by Sascha Franck
Well, at least Steinberg seems to implement some features that people asked
for...

Hmmm. Well you make it sound as if Emagic hasn't done a damn thing since the last PC
version you own. I've been very happy with the new features that have come along since
then. A new Automation scheme, Auto-Track zoom, Project Manager, user defined matrix
colors (which I asked for on this very list . . . providing specific detail . . .and it was
installed in the very next free update), a mute tool for the Matrix Editor (which I also asked
for on this very list), multiple undo, a marquee tool, Freeze function, Firewire DV out, . . .
.etc.etc.etc. Gee, there's been quite a few advancements to the program from my point of
view.

It sounds like Cubase SX is the better choice for you. Best of luck with it. If you ever
happen to get that Mac, you'll need even more luck ;-)

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Post by jon9091
Hmmm. Well you make it sound as if Emagic hasn't done a damn thing since the last PC
version you own.

At least not as much as I was hoping for.
And believe me, I do very well know what and why I hoped for.

Post by jon9091
I've been very happy with the new features that have come along since
then. A new Automation scheme,

Still no looping, individual muting or easy copying and/or time stretching
of automation data.

Post by jon9091
Auto-Track zoom,

Has been there since 5.0-

Post by jon9091
Project Manager,

No need for that as it doesn't work all that great either (think about
reassigning samples to the EXS... how slow could it get? Compare it to the
EXS manager...).

Post by jon9091
user defined matrix
colors

Personally, I never needed this.

Post by jon9091
a mute tool for the Matrix Editor (which I also asked
for on this very list)

Has been there way before Emagic abandonded Windows support as well.

Post by jon9091
multiple undo,

See above.

Post by jon9091
a marquee tool, Freeze function,

Yes, nice things - not exactly what I needed though. Plus, the marquee tool
could be improved still.

Post by jon9091
. Gee, there's been quite a few advancements to the program from my point

of

Post by jon9091
view.

Well, each to his/her own. There's been no sorting out of VERY old bugs
though.

Post by jon9091
It sounds like Cubase SX is the better choice for you. Best of luck with

it.

Well, I just HAVE to use Cubase for various reasons. Doesn't mean I LIKE to.

Post by jon9091
If you ever
happen to get that Mac, you'll need even more luck ;-)

I know. Especially since I very much believe that OSX is a nice OS under the
hood, but majorly flawed in a lot of other areas.

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Post by jon9091
As I said. Neither of the examples you mention were original
ideas of Steinberg. Both of these exact same things are
already in, and have been in Digital Performer for quite a
few years. Not that I wouldn't mind seeing them in Logic in
some form or other, but let's give credit where credit is
due. It certainly ain't Steinberg.

My point was not who invented these features, but who's got on and
implemented them in a mainstream, fully supported and evolving application.
Which egghead in in which lab thought them up first isn't really an issue
for most of us, the issue is whether our application of choice is keeping up
with the competition and providing the functionality the market requires and
demands. I'm giving credit to Steinberg for developing an evolving and
fully supported application, which is offering cutting edge and highly
desirable features before most other applications. Unfortunately DP doesn't
seem to be receiving the support it deserves and is becoming an increasingly
niche product - irrespective of it's own qualities.

Emagic did not invent plugins (which Logic now supports), was late to the
table with virtual instruments (which it now supports), just about provides
plugin delay compensation (which it borrowed from elsewhere) and Logic has
copied poached and plagiarized numerous other applications throughout it's
life. All DAW software has done the same (can't believe SX finally supports
Logic-style snap - how long have ex-Logic users been begging for that?!!) -
and will continue to do so.

It just happens that Steinberg seem to be consolidating a lot of innovative
and in-demand features and functions into one application - irrespective of
whether or not they invented them. Unfortunately I personally still fear
for the stability of Steinberg products, especially on Mac, and am prepared
to wait for Logic to catch up. Others may feel differently.

Not saying we should all dump Logic, just giving Steinberg some props for
implementing some great features most Logic users would love to have.

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Post by Kerry Magruder
Is there a single command in the
Arrange window by which I can remove the gaps or spaces between
adjacent regions?  (That is, to make all the regions slide forward

In Emagicese that is called "tie by position". There is a key command for
that, and I use it all the time when processing audio (remove the crap then
squnch up the rest). You might look at the recent long thread about people who use
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Post by Anthony Anugwom
SX3 looks pretty impresive to me.
Here is a better look at it and a comparison between SX3, Logic, Motu's
DP4, Sonar and Protools LE.
http://www.espace-cubase.org/anglais/page.php?page=newcub27

Why don't they compare only products that are shipping?
It's easy to say that a future product is better than a current product.
Why not compare SX3 with Logic7, ProTools7, DP5 and Sonar11?
That's because the rest of those companies haven't announced yet.

September 6th is the release date.
Regardless of the spin and lack of AU support... some of the new features
"look" well thought out and very convenient.
Time will tell how well they've been implemented.

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Ive notcied that this crashing on opening of logic songs happens
with big .lso files. (as far as i can see) files over 150meg
cause a problem, anything other seems to react fine.

which os r u using ??? is system restore on (me and xp)
there was a bug in the win me sys restore that caused it to start
writing to the drive exponentially when sys res was turned on.

More likely a result of many edits and Logic's unlimited UNDO list.

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audio card=creative sound blaster audigy2 ZS
Computer=gateway (AMD athlon 1000MHz)
Logic version=4.7
OS=windows ME (i know it sucks)
Ram=128MB

Pay attention:

Under the Audio menu/
Deselect - Auto Input Monitoring

Under the Audio menu again: (I think it's this way in 4.7)

Select - Audio Hard Ware & Drivers, notice two tabs/
Audio Driver - and- Audio Driver 2

You Audigy card has ASIO drivers.

You want to use these NOT PC AV.

After getting the ASIO driver selected.
Make sure "Software Monitoring" is deselected for both PC AV and
ASIO. (just to be safe)

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Post by Howard Wooten

audio card=creative sound blaster audigy2 ZS
Computer=gateway (AMD athlon 1000MHz)
Logic version=4.7
OS=windows ME (i know it sucks)
Ram=128MB

Under the Audio menu/
Deselect - Auto Input Monitoring
Under the Audio menu again: (I think it's this way in 4.7)
Select - Audio Hard Ware & Drivers, notice two tabs/
Audio Driver - and- Audio Driver 2
You Audigy card has ASIO drivers.
You want to use these NOT PC AV.
After getting the ASIO driver selected.
Make sure "Software Monitoring" is deselected for both PC AV and
ASIO. (just to be safe)
HW

Ok, so I did all of that and then is says to relaunch logic. when I
do it says "ASIO: sample rate 44100 not allowed"

any thoughts?

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Post by Howard Wooten
Under the Audio menu/
Deselect - Auto Input Monitoring
Under the Audio menu again: (I think it's this way in 4.7)
Select - Audio Hard Ware & Drivers, notice two tabs/
Audio Driver - and- Audio Driver 2
You Audigy card has ASIO drivers.
You want to use these NOT PC AV.
After getting the ASIO driver selected.
Make sure "Software Monitoring" is deselected for both PC AV and
ASIO. (just to be safe)
HW

Ok, so I did all of that and then is says to relaunch logic. when I
do it says "ASIO: sample rate 44100 not allowed"
any thoughts?
Thanks
Justin

just my 2cts worth: you will have this echo to varying degrees unless
you monitor the sound through your interface BEFORE it goes into your
computer, the only way you can avoid it is by using TDM Protools, and
then you can monitor with fx and all that stuff and not hear the nasty
slapback... which as everyone here has explained can be optimized but
NOT got rid of... it is due to latency, the time that the host computer
takes to process and spit out your signal... it's one of the things
that has kept me tied to my tdm system... i mean try playing a rhythmic
guitar delay using logic fx and weep. (unless of course you can set
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Post by Howard Wooten
After getting the ASIO driver selected.
Make sure "Software Monitoring" is deselected for both PC AV and
ASIO. (just to be safe)
HW

Ok, so I did all of that and then is says to relaunch logic.
when I do it says "ASIO: sample rate 44100 not allowed"
any thoughts?

Hi Justin, the Audigy card has a fixed sample rate of 48k (with
ASIO). You just need to set Logic to the same sample rate and...
Hey presto...

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audio card=creative sound blaster audigy2 ZS
Computer=gateway (AMD athlon 1000MHz)
Logic version=4.7
OS=windows ME (i know it sucks)
Ram=128MB

Ok, so I did all of that and then is says to relaunch logic. when I
do it says "ASIO: sample rate 44100 not allowed"

Have you updated to 4.8.1 as suggested ?

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I started fooling with Reaktor today for the first time. While it
seems tantalizingly creative, I had multiple crashes trying to use it
as a plug-in. Also, the manual is almost useless. (They seem to
assume if you can't figure out their eccentrically non-standard
interface on your own you're not worthy of their software...not unlike
another German software company we know;-)

Reaktor has been very stable for me. I have only had it for a short
time (3 months), but it has been rock solid n my G5 2x2.
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I started fooling with Reaktor today for the first time. While it
seems tantalizingly creative, I had multiple crashes trying to use it
as a plug-in. Also, the manual is almost useless. (They seem to
assume if you can't figure out their eccentrically non-standard
interface on your own you're not worthy of their software...not unlike
another German software company we know;-)

The biggest problem I find with Logic and Reaktor is how you set up
your Reaktor instruments. For example, when i first started i thought,
Wow I'll set up my arrange window and have access to 8 or 10 different
Reaktor instruments whenever i need them. But the truth is, Reaktor
instruments that are part of your list of instruments are actively
eating processing power even when not part of your song. So only
select a Reaktor instrument when you are going to use it..
Then when you like what you have, Freeze the track !
I find that the safest way to have Reaktor instruments to always play
back the same thing every time. If you want to make changes, just
unfreeze the track, make the changes and then refreeze it.
Follow this rule and you will have trouble free use of Reaktor and your
computer won't start dragging from the intense use some of the Reaktor
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Forget Reaktor in Logic, i can even say forget NI in
Logic, at-least if you want to perform pro, NI
plug-ins are "the worst case scenario"

I beg to differ. I am using the Komplete II bundle with no problems!!
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Post by Matt McKenzie-Smith

Forget Reaktor in Logic, i can even say forget NI in
Logic, at-least if you want to perform pro, NI
plug-ins are "the worst case scenario"

I beg to differ. I am using the Komplete II bundle with no problems!!

Yes, no kidding. The NI stuff works fine here too. I'd suspect your
machine. NI has been working hard to fix the issues that were there a
year ago, maybe 6 months. But Reaktor has had a few bug fixes that
relate to Logic specifically..

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Forget Reaktor in Logic, i can even say forget NI in
Logic, at-least if you want to perform pro, NI
plug-ins are "the worst case scenario"

Sounds system specific to me man,

Everything works fine over here! (reaktor, battery, Kompakt, vokator, b4,
intakt, pro53, spec delay and absynth) - and yes, these are legit!

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Forget Reaktor in Logic, i can even say forget NI in
Logic, at-least if you want to perform pro, NI
plug-ins are "the worst case scenario"

Ciao,

That is not my experience at all. I have been using Kontakt within
Logic for months. Incredibly stable and incredibly tight timing.

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Forget Reaktor in Logic, i can even say forget NI in
Logic, at-least if you want to perform pro, NI
plug-ins are "the worst case scenario"

Ciao,
That is not my experience at all. I have been using Kontakt within
Logic for months. Incredibly stable and incredibly tight timing.

Here is a lucky guy....:)

I use Reaktor since version 3.x and it always crash logic. i must say
Reaktor 4.x ever do it better,so, i guess that's what you can call a
"Real Upgrade"


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A quick question for anyone using the Edirol PCR30 controller with
Logic. Any comments/observations? Does it work for you? (I've been
offered one).

I use the Edirol PCR-80, same keyboard but 5 octaves. I am verry happy
with it. It's worth the money. I also use the programable keys to
change the presets of the softsynts/plug-ins, the EXS24 and my
Absynth. Sliders for volume etc. Verry handy.
manfred (derek) hauffen

I run a Edirol PCR group.

EDPCR-subscribe-***@public.gmane.org

310 members and growing. Lots of smart folks there.

Also, you need to check out John Pitcairn's LCXmu. It works great with the
PCR, especially in OSX.

http://www.opuslocus.com/lcxmu/

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I use the Edirol PCR-80, same keyboard but 5 octaves. I am verry happy
with it. It's worth the money. I also use the programable keys to
change the presets of the softsynts/plug-ins, the EXS24 and my
Absynth. Sliders for volume etc. Verry handy.
manfred (derek) hauffen

Manfred,

Many thanks for your reply. Sounds perfect for me.

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Verry handy.
manfred (derek) hauffen

Many thanks for your reply. Sounds perfect for me.
Cheers!
Dave B.

Dave,
I have all 3 versions of them the 30, the 50, the 80 (for 3 control
rooms) and I too love what they do.
I've programmed the knobs and sliders to do all sorts of stuff,
depending on synths.
If you use Reason these controllers work great with it too. Haven't
tried it with Absynth and others yet. Sure they'll work fine if I sit
and program them correctly.
If you are in the market, I personally would recommend Edirol above all
others. Even the action is better than other controllers that I have
tried.
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Post by Gio
I have all 3 versions of them the 30, the 50, the 80 (for 3 control
rooms) and I too love what they do.
I've programmed the knobs and sliders to do all sorts of stuff,
depending on synths.

Does anyone have an opinion on the m-audio 88 keystation pro 88-key controller? I've
read that some are dissatisfied with the key action b/c they were expecting a weighted key
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Post by James Gathigns

Post by Gio
I have all 3 versions of them the 30, the 50, the 80 (for 3 control
rooms) and I too love what they do.
I've programmed the knobs and sliders to do all sorts of stuff,
depending on synths.

Does anyone have an opinion on the m-audio 88 keystation pro 88-key controller? I've
read that some are dissatisfied with the key action b/c they were expecting a weighted key
feel.
Thanks,
-jg.

GUY, IM TRYING BUT I CAN'T!
How do you get the Edirol to send CONTROL MESSAGES to whatever, let's say EVP88, ES2
etc.
I'm using the Control # that shows up on the Files menu on this group, but nothing seems
to be correct.
Am I doing something wrong?
What are the control messages for every parameter for every Logic Soft inst?

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Post by James Gathigns
Does anyone have an opinion on the m-audio 88 keystation pro 88-key controller? I've
read that some are dissatisfied with the key action b/c they were expecting a weighted key
feel.
Thanks,
-jg.

LOVE IT!

Who ever said it wasn't weighted... hmm. It feels pretty good to me,
not a piano, but way better than any synth. It feels better that the
Alesis QS8.1 I sold to get this. It has 9 faders, 24 fades and a bunch
of buttons. You can program them, and there are templates for many
pieces of gear..

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Post by James Gathigns
Does anyone have an opinion on the m-audio 88 keystation pro 88-key controller? I've
read that some are dissatisfied with the key action b/c they were expecting a weighted key
feel.

Yes. I'm more than mildly underwhelmed. It doesn't have 'weighted key
action', it feels more like 'action with weights applied' if you know
what i mean.

The guy at the shop described it as 'the action is good, for the price'
which translates to 'it's cheap, and that's how it feels'
He then praised it as having USB. Fuck ! What the hell ? There are
*very* few things on this planet that I could care less about. I'm out
to buy a master keyboard which will probably be with me for my remaining
days and he says 'well, it sucks, I know, but at least you don't need a
wall wart...'

The knobs and faders are all fine, but this monster is, as described,
actually 6 inches high, which means I could barely squeeze it into my
desk and then move on to pinch my fingers every time I try to move one
of those knobs..
No Channel Pressure as well. Can you at least *spell* synthesizer ?
Trying to play a convincing idiomatic hammond riff, no way. Eek !
Velocity response seems to be ok, after fiddling a bit with Cubase se in
the shop, I couldn't find any obvious gaps in the possible velocity
values (a good sign compared to my earlier test series with other
keyboards, the results of which were devastating)
Then it dawned on me, that, even though I waited for this baby for three
months, this one is not for me, obviously.
*I* want:
88 keys
Full velocity range
Lots of knobs and faders
Channel Pressure
1 or 2 foot pedals
1 or 2 foot switches

I don't want;
Clunky keys. Period.

Finally got a Kurzweil PC88 some days ago off ebay and man, this thing
rocks.

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Forget Reaktor in Logic, i can even say forget NI in
Logic, at-least if you want to perform pro, NI
plug-ins are "the worst case scenario"

Really? For me Reaktor is solid. Running the latest version of Logic,
Reaktor and MAc OS on a 1 GHZ Powerbook G4, and it is better on G5s.
No more crashing and hangs, at least since Reaktor 4.1,.2 last spring.

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Has anyone out there mixed a successful 5.1 surround mix using logic?

Yes, I did several times.

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[Gio]

Post by Mauricio Domene

Has anyone out there mixed a successful 5.1 surround mix using logic?

Yes, I did several times.

Here too,
Very functional.
On another note:
Emagic/Apple, please can you come up with a Dolby Digital encoder plug
for Logic 7?????????
Please!!!!!!!!
Dont make me take stems out to Sony's Vegas Video or a PT rig with
Kinda Loud Surround Plug.
C'mon boys lets not get our butts kicked by these guys, I know we can
smoke them easily!
Pleaseeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!
Ciao
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[Matt McKenzie-Smith]

I started fooling with Reaktor today for the first time. While it
seems tantalizingly creative, I had multiple crashes trying to use
it
as a plug-in. Also, the manual is almost useless. (They seem to
assume if you can't figure out their eccentrically non-standard
interface on your own you're not worthy of their software...not
unlike
another German software company we know;-)

Careful with the quoting folks. I definitely didn't write this.
And to add, I certainly would not have written a message such as this,
because my experience has been all 'good' with the NI products.
(Komplete II)
Regards,
Matt

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[Michael Levine]

It sounds like a number of people are having good luck, with some
caveats. I've been working through the 500 page pdf manual (while
scoring two TV shows, a ridiculous idea) and find much of the
information to be incomplete, or worse, plain wrong. Of course, if
awful manuals stopped me I would have given up on Logic years ago.

Is there anyone out there generous enough to answer some questions
offlist? Please email me directly so as not to tie up precious LUG
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[tonester]

Close Logic, activate it in the finder, execute command+i (or
rightclick and choose something like "Obtenez L'Information"), look for
"Langues", uncheck all boxes but "English". Start Logic. Voila - Il est
anglais!

The English language pack must be installed for that. I believe this is
by default. But if not - just get the system cd and do a custom install
with only the language pack.
Peter Ostry

thanks for the advice - this list can be a great resource when we aren't all
bitching... :)

I will try what you suggested.. but I'd rather not have to switch over to
english version first and then back to french...

it seems weird that I can't find these settings when I search for them in
english or in french by doing a search in the key command editor.. I tried
searching for 'setting' 'réglage' 'next' 'previous' 'prochain', I don't know
what else it could be called? any french users of logic pro out there that
know what this function is called in the french version?? ça commence à me
faire chier..

just to restate the question:

I am having trouble assigning key command for 'next/previous' plug in
setting in the french version of logic, can't find it in the key command
list!

j'ai du mal à assigner le raccourci clavier pour piloter les réglages du
plug-in actuellement selectionné, je ne le trouve carrément pas dans la
fenêtre raccourcis clavier..

thanks for any help

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[vincentkenis]

Post by tonester
I am having trouble assigning key command for 'next/previous' plug in
setting in the french version of logic, can't find it in the key command
list!
j'ai du mal à assigner le raccourci clavier pour piloter les réglages du
plug-in actuellement selectionné, je ne le trouve carrément pas dans la
fenêtre raccourcis clavier..
thanks for any help
antonio gambale

"réglage plug-in suivant"
"réglage plug-in précédent"




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[David Bronze]

Post by Teddy Kumpel
I run a Edirol PCR group.
310 members and growing. Lots of smart folks there.
Also, you need to check out John Pitcairn's LCXmu. It works great with
the PCR, especially in OSX.
http://www.opuslocus.com/lcxmu/
Teddy

Many thanks to everyone who replied to my post re the PCR30. I'm going
to go for it, especially since I already have LCXmu. I'll check out the
users group too.

All the best

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[Michael Picton]

Has anybody experienced this bug? I am using Logic Pro 6.4.2 on a dual 2ghz
G5 and I have just run into a bug where, when I double click on a sound file
in the audio window, I get a blank white sample edit window with nothing in
it. No menu, no waveform, nothing. Is there a fix for this? I have restarted
the program, rebooted too. Just discovered that if I reload the screenset
about 3 times, the window will sometimes right itself and the waveform will
appear and sometimes not. Weird.

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[adampendse]

Post by Howard Wooten
http://www.steinberg.de/ProductPage_sb.asp?

Product_ID=2442&Langue_ID=7
Wow, just checked in after a long time :-)

Looks like most DAW companies are getting rounded version numbers of
their software out at the mo ;-)

For PC users still hanging in there that may be interested;
Samplitude V8
www.samplitude.com

Elastic Audio, Analog Modeling Suite (by the fishfillets guy),
vastly improved midi, loads of top-end features. All this alongside
the stuff that makes it the best DAW for PC IMHO. Been using
it/loving it post Logic and SX.

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[Murray Anderson]

Dear Group

Can anyone tell me where to find the old USB Logic dongle driver extension
for OS 9? I want to run Logic 4.8 on a spare machine, and I no longer have
my original disc, which got sent back for the Logic 5 upgrade, but I do
still have a USB dongle for Logic Audio Platinum. I can't find the software
on the emagic site. In fact, if anyone could attach a Stuffit arhive of it
to an email, I would be much obliged.

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards

Murray

Murray Anderson
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Post by Murray Anderson
Can anyone tell me where to find the old USB Logic dongle driver extension
for OS 9? I want to run Logic 4.8 on a spare machine, and I no longer have
my original disc, which got sent back for the Logic 5 upgrade, but I do
still have a USB dongle for Logic Audio Platinum. I can't find the software
on the emagic site. In fact, if anyone could attach a Stuffit arhive of it
to an email, I would be much obliged.

Murray,

you can download the 4.8 XSkey driver from http://www.emagic.de/support/download/treiber.php?lang=EN

Hope this helps,

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[Murray Anderson]

Dear Group

Can anyone tell me where to find the old USB Logic Platinum 4 dongle driver
extension for OS 9? I want to run Logic 4.8 on a spare machine, and I do
still have a USB dongle (not XSkey!) for Logic Audio Platinum, but the
computer won't recognise it. I can't find the software on the emagic site.

Several people offered help, but the file they sent allows you to run Logic
4, using the XSkey. I don't need that. I need to run the original Logic
Platinum USB dongle, which superceded the ADB dongle, but preceded the
XSkey.

If anyone could attach a Stuffit archive of it to an email to
mca-oqB/***@public.gmane.org, I would be much obliged.

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards

Murray

Murray Anderson
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