yes Phil, I do write a lot about this, heh heh heh, so just for you I will
try to keep it brief... I have a strong interest in XP, and I hear a lot of
people talking about it in DAW forums, so I am trying to get a bead on any
advantage XP may have over w2k.
What you have to say is interesting, but I dont agree with some of it. For
instance, XP is not "the OS of the future". It is the consumer-grade OS of
the future... Just as win95 was when it came out and win98 after that....
But it is most certainly not the professional / business-grade OS of the
future... Also, XP is not necessarily the logical progression of OSs from
the win9x platform or for Logic users. XP is more W2K then it will ever be
win9x. If you use your computer for things other then Logic that may be
another story, but again, we are not talking about "what is the best OS
now?" we are talking about "what is the best OS for Logic now?"
As for reasons why one might not want to use XP?... hmm...
1) It is a brand new OS and has a certain risk factor involved with
2) Device drivers are just being developed and are in their first revision
for many devices
3) There are several new "phone home" options incorporated into the OS which
are additional and unnecessary background processes.
4) The interface options have to be significantly tuned down to reduce the
cludgy feel of the OS... And when you mention cludgy, I have never seen an
interface as cludgy as XP after an initial install. (I am a research
scientist, as per my email adress, and in addition I am the network and
computer professional for my department. In this capacity, when I am not at
the bench doing research, I serve to mange all the departmental computers.
As of recently, I have had 5 people come to me independently with various
winXP computers. The chief complaint being, "the OS seems to pause and slow
down when doing routine tasks". After tuning these PCs a bit they do much
better.... But I have never had anyone with w2k come to me with this
problem and I think its very telling). The question is, if other Drs. are
coming to me and asking me why their XP system seems to be a pig on their
brand new computer, are we going to expect that other people wont have the
5) It is by no means a proven OS for DAW function. And I think this is one
of the most important points. You of all people (who give DAW advice at the
professional level) shouldnt be giving advice to go out and get XP when so
little information has been collected about its performance in the DAW
capacity and how it stacks up to w2k. I personally find this advice to be a
little 'willey nilley' and I am a bit suprised to hear it from you...
especially with the slogans you attach to it, like "the OS of the future"
and the confidence for which you proclaim your opinion "without a shadow of
a doubt"... Hey, its your reputation I guess..
As for some applications being cludgy on W2K..... I dont know what you are
talking about specifically.. The W2K and the XP kernel is nearly identical
and any app which runs well on XP will undoubtably run well on W2K...
As for the poor networking issues.. No networking professional will argue
that point with you. MS networking is some of the slowest (with the most
overhead transfer needed) and the most insecure networking available.. MS
has developed their networking protocal over the years via the three Es that
I spoke of earlier.. Stealing and implimenting powerful technology from
truely inovative companies like Novel, IBM and Sun. Yes, MS networking is
slow and full of holes for sure.
As for the life that one could coax out of W2K... again, its the same
kernel (which means, at its most fundemantal level is almost identical) and
any life which XP has, W2K will be right behind it. I dont see all the
corporate users throughing in the towel on W2K to run a consumer grade OS
like XP... XP is essentially W2K bundled with better plug and play and more
multimedia options for the consumer. The multimedia options incorporated in
XP will not help Logic run better on any PC... At least no one has
suggested any significant reason as to why it will yet and I have been
asking for a long time now (as you eluded to in your last message).
I dont think a first revision consumer-grade OS is a prudent choice over a
rock solid industry proven W2K with two years of real world R&D devoted to
making it run more stable and efficiently. Again, there may be substantial
reasons why XP will be better or is better then w2k, yet no one has found it
necessary to even make the briefest mention of them in any specific terms.
and will write more untill people start giving advice that is based on
scientific and practical information, not slogans and generalities.
Post by Phil Angus
No offense Keith but you tend to write a lot of stuff about this when
a simple statement will do. No one (including me) is saying we
should all rush out and buy XP, ditch 2000 and all will be 100%
If someone is faced with a choice of upgrading from Windows 9X /
ME they should without a shadow of doubt get XP. This is simply
because that is the (Windows) OS of the future and I can pretty
much guarantee there is not a single reason why anyone should
get 2000 rather than XP, but rather the other way round.
I have been using all MS operating systems including server
releases for years. 2000 is a stable server platform, but rather
cludgy for some applications at the workstation level. Anyone who
has experience of MS networking with 2000 knows what I mean.
2000 or XP? XP every time. That's it. If you have 2000, by all
means hang on and see how much wear and tear you can coax out
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